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wpd2688
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posted 11-15-2011 10:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wpd2688   Click Here to Email wpd2688     Edit/Delete Message
I received a call from a probation officer requesting I test one of his clients, a sex offender. .The client has been removed from therapy because he refuses to acknowledge any responsibility for his past acts, a violation of his probation. The client sent e-mails to his daughter soliciting sexual favors, also a violation of his probation. I have not read the messages and do not know the exact content.

The client admits to sending the e-mails. He states that he sent them to show the daughter what kind of people were out there and the kind of things they would send her. The probation officer wants me to test the client about the purpose of the e-mails, i.e. did he send them for sexual gratification.

I’m not sure that this is a testable issue. It seems to deal with intent, which is a rather fluid concept. I’m also not sure there is any reason to test the client. Regardless of his intent, it is still a violation of his probation. I would appreciate any input. Thank you.

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skipwebb
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posted 11-15-2011 10:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for skipwebb   Click Here to Email skipwebb     Edit/Delete Message
I agree with your assessment on both counts; the intent issue and whether he passes the test has no bearing on whether he sent the email.

Additionally, it sounds like this examinee needs to be involved in PCSOT testing with an instant offense test but then, I'm not trained in PCSOT nor do I do such tests.

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wpd2688
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posted 11-15-2011 12:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wpd2688   Click Here to Email wpd2688     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks Skipp. I, too, wondered if this might fall under PCSOT. I've not been trained in that either.

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rnelson
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posted 11-16-2011 10:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rnelson   Click Here to Email rnelson     Edit/Delete Message
Good question.

There are two points of ambiguity that are written into the PCSOT Model Policy.

This in one of them.

7.1.2.G states this:

quote:
free of references to mental state or motivational terminology except
to the extent that memory or sexual motivation may be the subject of
an examination following an admission of behavior

The ambiguity is intentional because sex offenders play a lot of silly games around issues of intent. In doing this, he PSCOT committee and the people that crafted and drafted this language provided us an effective solution.

In general we do not test issues of intent.

However, it is sometimes useful to do so (test mental state or intent)

When the offender admits the behavior but denies intent or memory or sexual motivation... then the target issue for polygraph testing IS mental-state/memory/intent.

So, questions re intent could be argued as compliant with the objectives and design of the PCSOT Model Policy.

For example:


  • Did you send those emails to your daughter for for your own sexual reasons?

  • Where you attempting to engage your daughter into sexual activities when you sent those emails?

  • Were you intending to gain your daughter's interest in sexual activities when you sent those emails?

We would also invoke 7.1.2.G when we test sex offenders who are convicted on DNA evidence of sexual contact with an intoxicated female while the offender tries to claim no memory or culpability for the offense.

In my experience - they all fail. I saw two people pass in 10 years, and these two have obvious toxicology that supports the lack of memory. These two also recite the details of the allegations as they read them in the report. Most others, who fail, in my experience, claim not to know the details of the allegations and claim their attorney has that information.

Anyway, I believe you can test this issue of intent in this situation and remain compliant with the APA Model Policy for PCSOT testing.

If you are uncomfortable with the issue, then make a note in your report that issues of intent are geneerally considered non-testable, but are permitted under 7.1.2.G., and that the result should be considered qualified.

as always,

my .02

r


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[This message has been edited by rnelson (edited 11-16-2011).]

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Barry C
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posted 11-17-2011 09:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Barry C   Click Here to Email Barry C     Edit/Delete Message
It seems to me the issue is whether he lied to his probation officer. So, why not approach it from this angle: "Did you lie to your PO when you told him you sent those emails for purely educational reasons?" I''m not suggesting that's the best question, but I agree with Ray's explanation and approach. Asking that way seems to me to be much more clear than asking whether it was for "sexual gratification." Maybe it was to harass her. His position is he told the truth when he said it was purely educational, so why not ask if that is true? I think we all know it isn't, but it really doesn't ask the person to assess a complex mental state. He either did it to educate as he said, or he didn't.

It's a single issue "did you do it" type test that - I would think - doesn't require the PCSOT training. It's the same test you'd give pre-conviction, if you were so inclined to give one.

I think the answer is very plain. It doesn't pass the straight face test, so an interrogation is almost guaranteed.

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skipwebb
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posted 11-17-2011 10:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for skipwebb   Click Here to Email skipwebb     Edit/Delete Message
My point was to avoid the obvious "intent" question as it is a state of mind or rationale issue rather than a physical act.

I agree one could simply ask "Did you lie to me about why you sent those emails to that girl?(your daughter). That would be no different than asking a shoplifter "Did you know that watch was in your pocket when you walked out of that store?" as opposed to "Did you intend to steal that watch?" when testing a suspect who "forgot" he placed the watch in his pocket as his defense.

I'm still of the opinion that the probation officer and the community would be better served if this individual were subjected to PCSOT instant offense testing and offender treatment if he is still in denial about the offense for which he was convicted.

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wpd2688
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posted 11-18-2011 04:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wpd2688   Click Here to Email wpd2688     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you for all of the replies. I'm still not really sure why they want me to test him. He's obviously in violation of his probation so what is the point? I get the feeling they think I can read his mind. I'm probably going to decline the test. I don't really see the point in testing him.

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